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Spur Conversations

Ep 2 Pt 1 - The Ecosystem Advantage

Kate Caday | 08/25/2026

Where's the money hiding? Ecosystem leaders on the revenue traditional metrics miss.

Most go-to-market motions still measure partners the same way they did 40 years ago: as channels of distribution, credited only when a human shows up on a call. That model misses where partners now create the most value, which happens upstream, in the data, and increasingly through AI.

In this episode of Spur Conversations, host Kate Caday sits down with two leaders working at the frontier of ecosystem strategy: Jay McBain, Chief Analyst at Omdia, and Bob Moore, co-founder and CEO of Crossbeam. The conversation moves past the attribution debate to a bigger question: if the ecosystem is becoming the primary source of differentiated data and trust, how does that reshape the way companies sell, and who (or what) makes the buying decisions?

Key takeaways:

  • Partners create value long before the first MQL. Across the 28 buying moments, partners influence the ebooks, events, and early research where deals are quietly won or lost, often before a customer ever appears in your pipeline.

  • Second party data is the real ecosystem advantage. In an era where everyone has access to the same models, the only durable differentiation is context, and the knowledge your ecosystem holds is proprietary to you alone.

  • Stop trying to change sellers' minds. The hearts and minds have already shifted. The work now is meeting sellers where they already operate, embedding ecosystem intelligence into their CRM, revenue platforms, and LLMs without adding friction to their deals.

  • Trust is the currency partners bring to the deal. Vendors sit outside the circle of trust that partners have built over decades. That trusted advisor role becomes more critical, not less, as deals move up the enterprise scale.

  • The buyer is going agentic, and so is the ecosystem. As buyers start their journey with an LLM rather than a search engine, the stories, case studies, and integrations from your ecosystem become the evidence agents use to recommend your product.

About the guests

Jay McBain is Chief Analyst at Omdia, where he covers channels, partnerships, alliances, and ecosystems. Over a 30-year career spanning channel leadership and industry analysis, he has become one of the most recognized voices quantifying how partnerships drive modern go-to-market.

Bob Moore is co-founder and CEO of Crossbeam, the ecosystem platform used by close to 40,000 organizations as a system of record for sharing CRM data with partners. A self-described data nerd, he previously built and sold two data companies (RJMetrics and Stitch Data) and authored the national bestseller Ecosystem-Led Growth.

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